my hunch, as i've said, i think hillary will run a notch or two to the right of president obama. that's the sweet spot for any party. will your guy be to the left or right of mitt romney? >> he'll be to the right but not as far right as ted cruz. he would be somewhere in the middle. although i will say, chris christie could get the -- >> well, he wouldn't be to the right. >> no, he won't. >> he could possibly beat hillary. >> republicans don't win primaries. you know that better than i do. i don't think chris christie is going to scratch the itch that needs to be scratched. ted cruz does it. if there's several tea party candidates, rubio, rand paul, my friend, and ted cruz, then maybe a christie or a pence has a better chance because they are fighting amongst themselves f they get smart and decide only one of them is going to run, cruz could be formidable. >> he won when i thought he could win and then it didn't quite work because of the demographic changes we didn't know were come. they came and more young people, more african-americans, late teen knows voted and made it harder